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15 things to remember if you’ve started to hate your PhD

Jun 1, 2021

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It’s entirely normal to hate your PhD from time to time. The further you travel on the PhD journey, the more you start to resent the thesis. 

That’s natural – spend years working on something, often with little immediate reward, and it natural that you will start to crumble. 

Here we’ve put together a list of 15 things to remind yourself of if you’re started to lose motivation. They’ll remind you of all that’s special about your thesis and, hopefully, inject some enthusiasm back into your relationship with it. 

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1. you should work less.

I find that most people fall into one of two camps.

There are those who throw themselves into their work, always chained to their desk and never feeling like they’re on top of things.

Then there are those who get easily distracted, putting things off to the last minute and feeling guilty that they’re always a little behind.

In both cases the outcome is the same: long hours spent working, with the fatigue and the stress that comes with it.

But what about doing less work? What about being more selective with your time, and more selective with what’s on your to do list, such that you didn’t have as much to do at all?

It means accepting that your value and output is not measured on the basis of how many hours you put in, or how much work you get done. It’s measured instead on the quality of the work, and on the level of focus you can achieve.

So if you find yourself burning the candle at both ends, ask yourself whether what you really need to do is work less.

2. Don’t Push Away Negative Thoughts

3. remember that your phd is trying to drown you, 4. routines come and go.

For many, the simplest way of making the PhD journey more manageable is to develop consistent routines. 

For me, that involves going on a morning walk, exercising a few times a week, getting my emails and admin done first thing in the morning, and going to bed at roughly the same time.

But it’s easy to slip out of routines. We may be away from home, or the holiday season may disrupt our daily rhythm.

Whatever it is, we can start to drop the good habits we carefully nurture and start to pick up unhealthy ones – we might start exercising less, eating more processed foods, or staying up late.

When that happens to me, I can quickly start to feel anxious about whatever it is I’m working on. That makes sense; if routines introduce stability into our lives, it’s logical that disrupting those routines can mean we feel ungrounded and out of sorts.

If you can relate this holiday season, go easy on yourself. Like everything in life, this is temporary. As long as you’re conscious of what good routines looks like, and as long as you’re conscious that you’re temporarily departing from them, it won’t be long before you get back into healthy habits once the thing disrupting your routine has passed.

5. Ask Yourself: Are You Biting Off More Than You Can Chew?

6. set your intentions, 7. embrace the crappy drafts, 8. remind yourself that phds are hard.

Finding your PhD hard is kind of the point.

Repeat after me: if you’re finding your PhD hard it doesn’t mean you’re a failure, it means you’re doing it right.

9. Keep failing

10. remember that you’re never going to please everyone, 11. you’re going to get criticised, 12. don’t focus (too much) on the problems, 13. you have to admit when you’re wrong, 14. ask yourself: am i a perfectionist.

Most of the PhD students I talk to are perfectionists. You probably are too. 

With perfectionism comes a desire to have control over day-to-day life, knowledge of what’s going to happen in the short term, and the certainty that the PhD thesis will be, well, perfect. 

And then along comes coronavirus. 

Your day-to-day life has been disrupted as you work from home and away from you normal routines, you’ve got no way of knowing what will happen in the short or long term, and you may worry that your thesis will be sub-optimal as you step away from fieldwork, labs and supervisors.

The perfectionist in you is panicking, right? 

Perfectionism is a double-edged sword. On the one hand it can fill you with drive, passion, dedication and motivation. It can inspire you to try your hardest and do your best. It’s likely what got you on to your PhD programme in the first place. 

But at the same time, it has a dark side. For as much as it can inspire, it can lead to panic. Anxiety, worry and dread often follow in the footsteps of perfectionism, such that when you lose control over your reality, or when you get things wrong, make mistakes or produce something sub-optimal, you panic. What starts off as a simple mistake can quickly become the end of the world.

Part of the challenge of doing a PhD, and particularly in the current context, is learning to embrace imperfection and recognising that sub-optimal does not necessarily mean failure. Managing perfectionism involves reminding yourself that you’re only human, and that humans face stresses, make mistakes and sometimes struggle to produce their best work. Even the brightest and most competent of people have off days. 

The more you can remind yourself of that, the better equipped you’ll be to deal with what life throws at you and your thesis. 

15. Lastly, Remember That It’s Okay Not To Be Productive

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Thanks for the encouragement and all… but, I keep failing, and I understand it is a process. But because of my failures I’m about to be fired from my PhD. :( It is hard, yes. I keep messing up and failing, yes. I’m getting fired, yes.

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Thinking about quitting your PhD? Maybe that’s the right decision

Sometimes not completing a PhD is the rational choice, and having open conversations around it helps stop people feeling isolated and uncertain, says Katherine Firth

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We know that 30 to 50 per cent of PhD candidates don’t complete globally. Countries such as the UK and Australia, where about a quarter of students don’t finish their PhD, actually congratulate themselves on their efficient completions. While my day job involves trying to help more people finish on time, I also know that choosing to stop can sometimes be the right decision.

People quit their PhDs for a variety of reasons, including to pursue job opportunities, to focus on external life priorities or simply because they lose interest. Over the past two years, there have been even more disruptions than usual: researchers haven’t been able to travel or do fieldwork; they have had to give up in-person conferences and avoid busy labs and libraries; they got sick or the pandemic exacerbated existing health conditions; or their priorities changed.

Supervisors, candidates and universities need to be more open to having conversations about quitting PhDs. Why do candidates choose to quit, how many people do so and what happens to them afterwards? It’s almost impossible to get detailed, accurate data about completion rates. When people quit they leave the university, so we often don’t see what they do next. If we don’t talk openly about stopping, people who are considering it feel isolated and uncertain. But it isn’t rare, and supervisors are in a privileged position to recognise the signs early – and then, as appropriate, support their candidates as they successfully navigate away from the PhD.    

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Academics don’t always like to acknowledge it, but your health, family, career and community are more important than any scholarly accolade. People generally think about quitting their PhDs for reasons including family responsibilities, mental health or their financial situation. Or they choose to leave because other opportunities come up. These can be rational, practical choices with sensible long-term outcomes.

After all, graduating with a doctorate is not the only pathway towards contributing to knowledge, discovering new information or being recognised as an expert. That incomplete doctorate might be suitable for a patent or to spin out into an industry application. Perhaps it makes sense to publish your findings in an academic article – or a public-facing book. Similarly, the skills that candidates have already developed in pursuing their research might be an asset in their job beyond academia.

It’s important for candidates to know that not finishing a PhD doesn’t make you a failure, and it doesn’t mean you’ll never have the opportunity to do a research degree in the future. Sometimes, now is not the right time or you’re not in the right field. You wouldn’t be the first person to return to academia after a decade in industry, or when your circumstances changed, or when your research project was safe to pursue again. The past two years have been particularly challenging for researchers who had to totally change their planned research projects. When it is just not possible to pursue the PhD you signed up for, it can be a valid decision to do something else instead.

However, I wouldn’t want to suggest that the only two options are gritting your teeth or leaving. Universities increasingly have opportunities for flexibility or support, which candidates should explore. Some adjustments are quite common if you ask around. It’s often possible to press pause on your candidature, take a leave of absence or change to part-time study. Work with the equity team or researcher development team to improve accessibility or get support. It might also be helpful to negotiate changes in the supervision team – realigning it to better support your methods, specialisation or preferences.

There are more drastic options, too. It’s possible to convert your PhD to a master’s by research. Candidates might even explore taking their project to another faculty, another university or another country where it fits better. Leaving your current situation might mean losing out on your funding or burning bridges or hurting feelings. It tends to require a lot of extra time, effort and work. It’s an extreme option, but if you’re already thinking about leaving, you are already considering radical action.

I recently wrote a book with Liam Connell and Peta Freestone, Your PhD Survival Guide , based on Thesis Boot Camp , our award-winning programme for helping get people over the thesis finish line. In our experience working with thousands of doctoral candidates around the world, non-judgemental conversations about quitting help people feel freed from having to pretend that everything is fine.

Supervisors, peers and mentors can also help identify what changes are possible to make or support candidates to weigh up their options and make a considered decision about whether to carry on or put down the doctorate, for now or for good, and pursue other priorities. PhD researchers are smart, resilient, persistent problem-solvers, and they contribute in so many ways to our world, whether or not they gain the title “doctor”.

Katherine Firth is lecturer in research education and development at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Australia, and a founding member of the Thesis Boot Camp team. Her most recent book on doctoral success is Your PhD Survival Guide: Planning, Writing and Succeeding in your Final Year with Liam Connell and Peta Freestone.

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Should you quit your PhD?

Do you sometimes think about giving up? Should you entertain this notion seriously, or ignore it? When is it right to walk away? It’s an important issue which we haven’t really tackled much on the blog to date, which is why I was pleased when B.J. Epstein, a lecturer in literature and translation at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, England offered to write a post on the topic.

BJ is a writer, editor, and Swedish-to-English translator. She absolutely loved her time doing her PhD and currently enjoys supervising doctoral students, but she is saddened by the number of PhD students who say how stressed and unhappy they are. Here she offers some advice for people questioning their commitment to their PhD.

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 Time to give up the PhD?

No, you think. You can’t give up on your doctoral studies. What would people say? How would you feel about yourself? Would your supervisors be disappointed? What kind of job would you be able to get if you can’t finish your PhD? Those are all natural concerns, but there are some situations where you’re actually better off letting go of the PhD and moving on with your life. If you are doing the PhD for the “wrong” reasons and you aren’t enjoying it or getting much out of it, then it’s time to let go.

There are many possible wrong reasons. I’ve talked to students who decided they wanted a PhD because they didn’t have anything else going on in their lives . Some have actually said, “I don’t have a spouse or children, and all my friends are married with kids. I needed something to do.”

If you want to have a partner and/or children, concentrate your efforts on that, and don’t use your thesis as a substitute . If you don’t want those things but you are lonely and/or you feel you need something equally important in your life, carefully consider whether a PhD is actually that meaningful to you. It might be that you’d be happier if you made some new friends or found a new hobby or changed jobs.

Other students have said that they couldn’t get a job, so they decided to continue with higher education instead. Think about whether a PhD will in fact help you get a job you want. If it isn’t leading you in the direction you want to go in and/or if it is just piling you with debt, then you might be wasting time. Similarly, if you are doing it because you think having “Dr” in front of your name will get you a job and/or other benefits, that isn’t a strong reason to continue.

If you are no longer interested in your topic and you’ve lost your passion, it might be time to give up, but you need to ask yourself a few questions first. Most researchers go through phases where they are more or less excited about their work. Indeed, all workers have tasks to do that are less enjoyable than others. Have you temporarily lost your academic mojo? If so, what can you do about it?

For some people, taking a short break (whether an actual holiday or a “staycation”) can be enough to reignite their love for their subject. Sometimes reading books on another topic altogether can help. Also, other activities – teaching, volunteering, going for a walk, spending time with friends – generally can help with research-related stress, and this in turn can help you re-focus. It may even be that moving on to a different chapter or working on a different part of your research is enough to help. Maybe approaching your topic from a new angle is all you need. Talk to your supervisors about this.

But if you’ve been feeling disengaged from your work for a long period of time and nothing you try makes you care about it again , it is probably time to consider leaving it behind. If the thought of continuing with your research strikes you as drudgery that you just can’t face, that is telling you something, and you should listen to your feelings.

An issue that can come up, however, as I mentioned above, is that some doctoral students worry that they would be ashamed if they scrap their thesis and their studies, and that others will be disappointed in them.

While it is true that  people generally feel better if they accomplish what they set out to and while it is also often the case that we are very aware of others’ expectations and desires for us , none of this constitutes a reason to make yourself continue on a path that is bringing you little joy or satisfaction. Also, your supervisors won’t want to waste time chasing you up to do work you promised but never delivered, and they, your friends, and your relatives would much rather you be happy than not.

It is a hard, but brave, decision to make, and yes, it may involve disappointing yourself and/or others. There may be other implications as well (having to pay back student loans, needing to move, looking for a new job, a loss of prestige, and so on), but these all pale in comparison when you consider the fact that this is your only life , and you don’t want to waste it by pressuring yourself to do things that aren’t right for you.

People claim that “quitters never win”, but actually, for some, quitting a PhD is the best choice they can make.

Thanks for such a thoughtful and straight talking post BJ. What do you think? Is your PhD making you miserable, or does the misery have another cause? Is it time to quit or do you think you should soldier on? Have you given up on study before and then started again? Love to hear about your experiences in the comments.

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Why I Finished My Dissertation, but Quit My Ph.D.

I’ve never been one to quit. Anything really. I mean sure, I quit pretending to be straight which caused me to quit my last marriage. I do, in fact, recognize that as a huge deal, but it took me 25 years to finally quit pretending to be straight. That’s the brut force of an ego that can’t stand to look weak if I ever saw one. I keep going and going, refusing to quit to a point that I’ve come to realize is to my own detriment and the detriment of those closest to me. But last month, after finishing my dissertation months ago, I quit my PhD program. Let me explain.

Jeanie Whitten

I received an email a few weeks ago reminding me that I still needed to pay tuition by the end of the month or I would be ejected from the program. “Okay, I guess it’s time to go back into scrappy hustler mode,” was my first instinct. I have always prided myself on my ability to ‘figure it out.’ Whatever ‘it’ is, I can do it and finding the money was no exception. I grew up in a extremely low-income single-parent household and if there’s one thing my mom taught me, it was the brilliance of being filthy rich in creativity and resourcefulness. It’s saved my ass so many times, not the least of which was when I had my first son at the barely employable age of 16 years old. It’s my survival strategy, my coping mechanism, my inherited genius, and I’ve always been proud of that. Hell, I’m still proud of that. After a few minutes passed though, and I allowed my body to feel her feelings, I realized that she was begging me to please stop.

You see, if I’m really honest with myself, a large part of my wanting to accomplish receiving the actual degree was to prove to myself and others that I could do it; that I was good enough, smart enough, hard-working enough, and worth being listened to. What I’m slowly beginning to realize, however, is that actually at this point I know I could get the degree. I’ve finished my dissertation. All I would have to do in order to successfully obtain the degree is pay the university $7,000 and kill myself for the next six months obsessively examining each argument I make in my writing, predict how it might be torn to shreds by fellow academics, and do everything I can to make it airtight. Making absolutely certain that I’ve successfully walked that very thin and paradoxical tightrope between making a unique contribution to the field but not saying anything that I can’t prove was said before by some old white guy who’s been deemed to have more authority on God and Theology than my small queer female teen parent voice. For a long time, I internalized that sentiment, believing that what I needed to do was prove to everyone that my story was worth hearing.

But these days, I know my story is worth hearing. And truthfully, I’m so so exhausted by the continual effort to try to prove it while putting myself under emotional stress and family under financial stress to do so. No more. It’s far more important to me to finish this project I’ve spent the last 5 years working on with my whole real and invigorated heart, instead of the heart of an exhausted student just trying to prove that what I have to say is worth listening to. Now, I want to be clear, I am not suggesting that degrees or education is useless or that the right thing to do is drop out of any academic programs you might be enrolled in. I am an educator in the depths of my being; I believe education is the key to true liberation and empowerment. I love education. What I don’t love is the academy. What I don’t love is the self-preserving models of our old institutions. What I don’t love is being told that I’m valuable because I paid someone else a lot of money so I could prove it.

The truth is, I’ve had an amazing dissertation experience. My supervisor is truly a dream and she has always encouraged the spark inside my guts to keep saying the things that need to be said, liberating my own soul and God/ess within her. The problem is not the education I’ve received. I’ve received a remarkable education. However, I also know the academy enough by now and ironically, the same critical lens I’ve developed through my educational process is the one helping me to realize that I need to quit the academy. I need to quit the sport of publicly tearing down colleagues, pretentious posturing, and criticism that goes beyond constructive critique into the realm of one-upping those around us for our own shallow reputations. Even in fields where we academics are already marginalized multi-fold. Even in fields like mine: Queer Feminist Theology. I don’t want that anymore. Participating in it only causes me to deny the divine inside myself and show up as a less fully alive human woman to bring home to my loved ones.

First and foremost, at the end of the day, what has consistently been so deeply important to me is the heart of the project I am working on and the relationships I’ve built in my program. It is no longer the degree itself, the external validation it might bring, or any potential career opportunities that it may offer. The truth is, there really aren’t many jobs in our home state that this degree would qualify me for and I’m at a point in my life that the external validation just doesn’t quite feel like a good enough reason. And so, after discussing with my family a cost/benefit breakdown of what finishing the PhD might bring… after hearing the beautiful people close to me remind me of all the hard work I’ve put into it… it has continued to become more and more clear to me from the depths of my guts that, the benefit of finishing the degree does not outweigh the costs of scraping up the money, going into more private debt, and tearing myself to shreds in my own head for the next six months. Not for me, anyway.

A tsunami wave of relief settled into my body the second after I hit “send” on the email to the university quitting my PhD. I’ve finished my dissertation, I intend to publish it, and the process of writing it has healed something deep inside of me. My work has not been in vain and it will not go to waste. I simply won’t have the respect that comes with a credential from people that wouldn’t respect me without it. And, you know what? I’m okay with that. That sacrifice is worth my renewed invitation into communion with my love for the work rather than the prize for doing it “right.”

Jeanie Whitten is the associate director of Together Lab and director of community engagement at Moreland Presbyterian Church in Portland Oregon. Prior to these roles she worked as the director of innovations in diversity for the Lutheran Institute of Theology & Culture at Concordia University. 

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Why I do not give a damn about my PhD anymore

Last week I went to my doctoral office for the first time since the pandemic. It was one of those days when you get up and feel so guilty about not having done anything substantial about The Big Project, that you quickly gather your things and scurry away promising yourself that today will be  the day.  The day when you write your chapter, the day when you look into your notes, the day when you settle on some deadlines and be productive. 

So I did something. I talked to people. I printed my notes. And I came back pissed and miserable in equal measures. 

Hi, my name is Marta and I don’t give a damn about my PhD anymore.

The whole story

Let’s start from the beginning.

You see, I always imagined myself in academia. As a thirteen-year-old girl I was dreaming of going places, knowing things, being  someone . But I had no idea what it takes to become a scholar and in fact, what a scholarly work is about. Nobody in my family has academic experience. I come from a small town where elites comprise of petty local politicians and medical doctors. I had this idealized image of… I don’t know honestly about what. Maybe finding myself among the knowledgeable and the experienced, of knowing the ways of the world, of having authority, of teaching others. I figured academia will give me the prestige and take the province out of me. I realize it was all very selfish. It was about me earning the prestige, climbing into the higher echelons of the society all the while losing a complex of a nerdy girl from nowhere. I wanted those who bullied me look at me and say with a hint of envy: “oh yes, I went to school with HER”. 

I’d been wanting to do a PhD ever since I started university back in 2011. I found anthropology fascinating even though I didn’t understand shit until my third year. I wanted to be  good , I wanted to be the best, I wanted to climb on that social ladder, have a good job, be a respected citizen, be an authority on something (take a good look at this case of a sick ambition). At that time, I believed that objectively measured success will justify my very being. To live was to work, to climb, to reach. I was also convinced, that showing up and proving  I care,  I will earn myself trust, position, someone will invest in me. In the end I realized, that as much as I can work my ass off, there is a special route to success, not necessarily based on your merits but rather politics of “chosen ones”. I wasn’t one of them. 

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I was fed up with the Polish academia and decided to do an exchange year in Switzerland. I like it here, I got to do cool things. I went to Africa for the first time, wrote my thesis and eventually got an invitation to stay as a doctoral student. Even though I felt completely drained and hesitant about starting the PhD right away, when you’re given such opportunity, you don’t toss it away. I accepted the position. Wasn’t doing a PhD all I ever wanted?

Unfortunately, I didn’t find energy to enjoy my new job. I got a scholarship and during the first year I didn’t have to work much – I was supposed to read, think, and conceptualize my research proposal.  Easy-peasy.  But after a year (and years before) of struggles on all possible fronts, I suddenly felt too stressed to even think about research. I got busy doing other things: I was super involved in work for a student organization, I traveled, partied, drank way too much alcohol, and tried to forget what my PhD is all about. I still read papers and produced a fairly decent research project but at the end of the year I was hitting rock bottom. 

In December I found out I didn’t get a grant with a pretty much only governmental body that funds international students. Due to that I wasn’t also eligible to apply for the Swiss National Funds money and there were hardly any other projects or foundations which could support me (remember that Switzerland doesn’t belong to the UE). There was nobody I could count on except myself. But even though I continuously attended German courses I didn’t know the language well enough (it’s  bloody  hard and my brain was in shambles) and I could not bring myself to even think how I will manage to make money. I was starting to hate living in a student dorm, where everyone would always ask me how things are – not a bad thing in general, just when you’re struggling with finding anything positive. My supervisor and I were still finding way to send me to Ghana to start my research and everything felt so incredibly temporary that sometimes I felt it’s no use to get out of bed. Over those few months, time passed with a quality of a band aid being slowly ripped off my skin. Millimeter after millimeter. 

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Soon I moved out and I couch surfed at various friends for five weeks. Then I went to Ghana, then I moved into another place, meanwhile I got a teaching contract, I improved my German and started working small jobs. Did I have time to think about my data, write anything, let alone  enjoy any of it?  Hell, no. After five months I packed my stuff again, went to Ghana for five months, did a good job, came back, moved into my new flat, attended conferences, summer schools, taught at the university again, worked in catering. My time was full. And yet I realized with confusion, that I cannot find a single thing that makes my life worth living. I started treatment. A year after I can say there’s a lot of those things. 

The Painful Epiphany

After spending years trying to make something work, it’s incredibly hard to realize that what was supposed to be a dream come true is a burden that makes you constantly miserable. I realized it this year in Ghana. I loved fieldwork and working in Ghana was always a healing time for me. I attribute it to slowing down, resting a lot, doing one thing at a time (actually – my job) and not worrying about one thousand other things. But one evening I received an email saying, that my article which I worked on for four months was eventually rejected. I cried that evening – I was furious and sad because I realized that I have no more energy to push through but more importantly, I don’t want to. I don’t want to obsess over my PhD anymore. I don’t want to feel guilty about not doing enough, not working on it enough, not writing enough, not  being  enough. And that evening I broke up with my PhD. It hurt but it made me feel unbelievably and joyously free. 

The three goals

I had three goals when I started my PhD: first, to get better doing field research, second to become an expert in some kind of niche, and to gain experience in academic life. The first goal was achieved, no doubt about that. I cannot stress enough how much I learned during this year in Ghana. Being thrown into a completely strange culture and society, I made it. I became more generous and compassionate. I ploughed through my perceptive patterns, I disassembled residual racism, prejudices, the Western gaze. I don’t fool myself the job is done, far from it. But I started to  understand  another culture and be respectful in a  local way. 

The other goals mostly turned into a miserable disappointment. I found myself absolutely not interested in spending hours upon hours sitting at my desk reading articles. I realized I am unable to consistently go through dozens of articles and book full of theories and to compare them, to juxtapose them, to draw conclusions, to write up pages of text which has nothing to do with real life. Academic discussions are often entirely void of links to real life (although anthropology somehow still manages to stick to the ground, somehow) but clearly, my personality, my needs, my sense of fulfillment lie somewhere else. Especially when it comes to creativity – I feel there’s very little to no space for it in academia.

i don't want to do my dissertation anymore

Over the last five years I learned that, as other fields, academia is also populated by mean, selfish, and ignorant people. I am not saying that all academics are horrible people but that even though this world should ideally be more self-reflexive, there’s still so much space for bad practices. I learned that academia is unbelievably elitist and snobbish – younger generation has to fight so hard to get space taken by old gurus, unwilling to step down and give up their thrones. That the best academics are oftentimes lost in the real world. Furthermore, I realized that this life is unbearably lonely. You read alone, you write alone, you present alone, you celebrate alone.. There are few official community links, almost no group leverage and therefore – no sense of belonging anywhere. If you add a few months a year spent abroad, you end up having no stable circles of colleagues around. I have a piercing feeling, that everyone here is solely focused on their job and saves little time to give to others. And of course, there’s a ton of competition, bullying, and behind-the-scenes collaboration. 

Everyone is in this ring alone and since the resources in humanities are incredibly scarce, everyone is twice as bigoted to win their share. 

No future for young academics ?

My other observation tells me, that nobody cares about passing down good academic practices. Universities don’t offer institutional support for PhD students who find themselves virtually lost. I haven’t received any major peer or institutional support. No older PhD student came to me and said “hey, you’re new to this, wanna talk?”. I recently watched a lecture by James Hayton on how to write your PhD thesis without going insane. He posed a question, how many of the present PhD students ever attended a writing course. Nobody raised a hand. Further in his lecture, he compares academics to neurosurgeons: the latter group makes sure to gather as much knowledge during their practice as possible and pass it on to the next generations. They write down mistakes, discoveries and ideas and disseminate the best practices to move the discipline forward. Therefore, new inventions, new methods are possible. It’s in everyone’s interest to bring the discipline forward, right? Well, there’s no such thing in academia! Every generation of PhD students struggle with  the exact same things . Can you believe that? Nobody teaches us how to network, to write, how to publish, how to organize field research. You survive, you get the chance to make a career. I just don’t think this is how it’s supposed to be.

What is perhaps the worst, is the precarity of that work environment. Getting a well-paid position in a good institute, where you’re able to do some valuable work, is like winning a lottery ticket. You are constantly chasing new projects, new grants, new jobs, new publications. You struggle to get our work out there and guess what – nobody cares if you do. Nobody cares if you publish because nobody profits from it besides you, quite the contrary, it’s the others who lose (a space in the journal). Without rock-solid confidence and sense of purpose, you’ve lost before you even started. It is also incredibly easy to attach a lot of feelings of self-worth to your successes as an academic. It took me too long to realize, that whether I publish or not, whether I write something good or not, I am still a worthy person. Maybe even a good anthropologist. But there’s no true sense of appreciation and reward in this world.

i don't want to do my dissertation anymore

Let’s say you finally got your PhD – what next? Doing a PhD in humanities doesn’t equip you with a set of skills improving your employability rates on the labor market. What can you say to an HR officer? I read books and thought quite a lot these past four years. And yeah, I published two articles in journals which nobody reads. No wonder UniBasel has those networking and „invent a story about your competencies” kind of workshops, which are supposed to help you find a job after your PhD. The fact is though, that most of my colleagues, who recently submitted their doctorates, live off of an unemployment benefit. Others have a working spouse. Or work – but then the time of doing your PhD stretches into eternity. Holding a PhD in humanities, to find a job you still need to monetize skills you most likely gained though other activities.

It’s not what I want and it’s ok

In the end, I think pursuing PhD in a sense of reading and analyzing, and proving, and discussing is so far removed from reality, from what life is about, from where the agency lies, that I don’t believe there’s much value in it anymore. Therefore, I tend to lean towards applied anthropology and researching for business purposes. Over the years of struggles I’ve developed a more fighting, self-assured, dynamic personality (thank you-no thank you, PhD) which I feel doesn’t belong in the academic halls anymore. I know some people might say I’m the person they need. That academia is slowly dying, swallowing itself, and it needs fresh blood, people doing things differently. But you see, I hold my mental health dearer than the future of academia. Maybe I’ll change my mind. But as for now, I’m done.

I am still going to finish that PhD. I am fully capable of writing 250 pages of text that’s good enough and defend it. I don’t like leaving things unfinished and I still want to have that title – maybe I’ll be able to use it for something good. I am also trying to develop a different career, which hopefully will provide me with a couple of years of peace of mind. And even though I just started, it has already brought me more satisfaction than any of my other scientific achievements. I think it’s a good sign to get the shit done and move on.  

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Dear Kerry Ann,

I was hoping to finish my dissertation last year and graduate in May. But it’s August, I’m heading back for another year on campus and I’m nowhere near finishing the dissertation. The sad part is that it’s not the research that is holding up my progress (it is mostly complete) and it’s not my committee (they are supportive and want me to finish). The problem is that I’m not writing. I’m starting to think that I may never finish and will end up another A.B.D. who fades out of the program.

But I do want to finish my dissertation! And yet I’m not making any progress. I need help beyond your usual suggestion to start a daily writing habit (I tried that and it didn’t work).

Need Help Finishing

Dear Need Help,

I am so glad to hear that you are resolved to complete your dissertation, recognize that what you’re doing isn’t working and are open to new experiments for the upcoming academic year.

There’s an important reason that nearly half of graduate students who start doctoral programs don’t finish -- they never complete their dissertations. That means you’re not the only person who has struggled while A.B.D. Over the past year, I’ve worked with more than 400 dissertation writers , and I’ve seen over and over again that isolation, perfectionism and procrastination are the three biggest threats to completion.

So that leaves us with a very simple issue. If you have only one way to finish your dissertation (write it) and you know the three challenges you need to overcome to do the writing (isolation, perfectionism and procrastination), then the key question is: How can you create an environment and support systems this year that will enable you to write on a regular basis? In other words, how can you design your work time to ensure that you have everything you need to complete your dissertation this year? Only you can answer these questions, but I would like to share a few insights and gentle suggestions.

Get Real About Daily Writing

I know I sound like a broken record on this point, so I’ll be brief. You cannot binge write a dissertation over a weekend, over a weeklong writing retreat or even if you hide in a cave for a month. High-quality work takes time to produce. We know that the most productive academic writers don’t write in large uninterrupted blocks of time; they write every day (Monday through Friday) in small increments.

I also realize that it seems like everyone these days is telling dissertation writers to “ write your dissertation in 15 minutes a day ” or that “you should try 25-minute pomodoros .” And as you’ve noted, I regularly advise people to write for at least 30 minutes per day. In response, graduate students tell me “that’s pie in the sky,” “it’s impossible to write a dissertation in 15 minutes a day“ or (my personal favorite) “ Bolker really meant 15 hours a day -- the publisher made a mistake and never fixed it, sending an entire generation of graduate students into a tailspin of self-loathing and misery.”

So let me make two important distinctions. First and foremost, when I encourage you to write at least 30 minutes per day, the most important part of that phrase is “at least.” It doesn’t mean that you’re going to complete your dissertation in one semester by writing for only 30 minutes per day. It’s advice given to people like you, who are not writing at all. In fact, it literally means start with 30 minutes a day, boo. When you’ve got that locked down, work your way up to longer periods of writing.

The second distinction that’s important is about the expectation versus the reality of what constitutes writing. Many graduate students I’ve worked with imagine that writing means producing perfect prose on the first draft. I have observed students spend 30 minutes writing, revising, deleting and rewriting a single sentence. If that’s how you are spending your daily writing time, I understand why you might conclude that it doesn’t work.

Instead, consider that drafting and revising are two separate stages of the writing process. Those initial drafts are where you work out your existing ideas and generate new ones. For that reason, much of what you write is for you, for your own thought process, and may never be shared with your committee or make it to the final draft. This is why we often say “ writing is thinking !”

Win the Battle of the Moment

If you’re like the majority of dissertation writers I’ve worked with, your initial attempts at daily writing fail. Why? Because you experience a repeating and self-defeating pattern that looks like this: you set aside time in your calendar for dissertation writing and you fully intend to write during that scheduled time. Then when the time comes, you experience a subtle but powerful urge to do anything but write. It’s such a strong and seemingly harmless impulse (“Let me just answer one quick email!”) that you follow the urge where it leads you, whether it be email, Facebook, teaching prep, more reading or a snack. Pretty soon your writing time is over and you haven’t written a single word. You promise yourself that you’ll do better tomorrow, but the next day comes and goes with the same result. After a week, you decide the whole daily writing thing doesn’t really work for someone like you.

I call this daily struggle “the battle of the moment.” It’s the moment that it’s time to start writing -- the hardest moment to move through -- and if you can just get going you’ll be fine. It’s truly a battle between your future self and your resistance . One of you will win and one of you will lose. In other words, either your future will win and you’ll start writing your dissertation or your resistance will win and you’ll end up arguing with somebody on Facebook about the presidential election.

The best way to win the battle of the moment is to first understand that it’s normal for your resistance to show up every day when it’s time to write. I encourage you to become aware of it and accept it for what it is . Then set a timer for a small block of writing. ( Even 10 minutes will get you through the moment.) The goal is to win the moment each day. Once you can stack up enough daily wins, you’ll see that you’re making progress on your dissertation.

And it’s important to know that your resistance is strongest when you’re alone because it festers in isolation. But that also means that your resistance is weakest in the presence of other active daily writers. For that reason, I strongly encourage you to consider what type of writing support you can create for yourself this year. Be creative! Dissertation writers use many different types of support structures to overcome resistance: write on-sites , writing buddies, accountability groups, dissertation boot camp , Facebook groups, writing retreats and 14-day writing challenges , to name just a few.

Learn to Analyze Why You’re Not Writing and Design Work-Arounds

If you’ve tried daily writing in the past but were unable to maintain it, then ask yourself why ? What exactly kept you from the single most important activity that will allow you to complete the dissertation, finish your degree and move on with your professional life? What happened (be as specific as possible) when you sat down to write?

For most dissertation writers, the inability to develop and maintain a daily writing practice is due to one of three things: 1) technical errors, 2) psychological obstacles or 3) external realities. While I’ve written about those in detail elsewhere , let me provide a quick dissertation-specific overview so that you can diagnose why you’re not writing and then design a quick and effective work-around.

Technical Errors: Dissertation writers often struggle to establish a daily writing practice due to several technical errors. That simply means that you’re missing a skill or technique. As soon as you identify the error, the work-around is clear. Here are the most common technical errors I’ve observed in working with dissertation writers and a corresponding work-around:

  • You haven’t set aside a specific time to write. (A work-around is to designate time in your calendar for dissertation writing.)
  • You have been setting aside the wrong time for writing. (A work-around is experimenting with writing first thing in the morning.)
  • You struggle to get started writing each day. (A work-around is to develop a writing ritual.)
  • You have no idea how much time tasks take and keep grossly underestimating how long it takes to do them. (A work-around is to use a timer to collect data on how long it takes you to complete various writing tasks.)
  • You don’t have any way to measure progress because you just have “write dissertation” as your daily writing goal. (A work-around is to set SMART goals .)
  • You feel overwhelmed because you can’t figure out what you have to do. (A work-around is to make a dissertation plan that lays out the steps for completing each chapter.)
  • You keep writing and revising the same sentence. (A work-around is to try Write or Die to permanently separate the drafting stage from the revising stage.)

Psychological Obstacles: Technical errors can be fixed with changes in your writing habits, but psychological obstacles often underlie dissertation writers’ inability to write daily. The most common I’ve observed are impostor syndrome , perfectionism , disempowerment , inner critics on steroids , fear of failure and/or success and a lack of clarity about your future goals. Regrettably, a quick tip, trick or hack will not eliminate psychological obstacles, but we can loosen their grip by increasing our awareness of their existence, reframing them and experimenting with behavioral changes.

External Realities: Lastly, I would be remiss if I did not recognize that sometimes the inability to maintain a daily writing practice results from an external reality that is beyond your control. The truth is that life events occur that directly impact the amount of energy we have to write. For example, you have a baby, someone dies, you or someone you love becomes ill and you have unexpected recovery/caregiving, you get divorced, etc. These situations can’t be “fixed,” so they require patience, compassion toward yourself, adjusted expectations and the willingness to explicitly ask for the kind of support you need.

Change Your Peer Group

In my experience, people who don’t finish their dissertations have one of two problems with the people they surround themselves with: 1) they don’t have anyone who is actively writing a dissertation in their daily life (i.e., they remove themselves entirely from contact with other dissertation writers) or 2) they surround themselves with dissertation writers who are not writing and spend their time complaining about their advisers, their campus, the oppressive nature of graduate education and/or the abysmal state of the job market.

To state the painfully obvious, neither self-isolating nor surrounding yourself with negative peers will help you develop a consistent daily writing habit. What you need most is a positive community that supports you through the ups and downs of writing a dissertation and celebrates your successes every step of the way. Every small win builds momentum, and seeing other people succeed makes it seem possible for you, too. It’s sharing the daily grind while making personal progress that reduces the isolation, perfectionism and procrastination that got you to this point.

I hope it’s clear from these suggestions that finishing your dissertation is a realistic possibility. It won’t happen if you keep on doing the things that have kept you unproductive. But if you’re willing to get serious about writing, get into a relationship with your resistance and join a positive community of writers, you will quickly start to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Peace and productivity,

Kerry Ann Rockquemore, Ph.D.

President, National Center for Faculty Development & Diversity

P.S. I love your questions, so keep posting them on my Facebook page or email me at [email protected] .

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even it's an abomination, it gets your brain thinking about it and working on it, and it's so much easier to make the obvious improvements, and then more, and eventually you are just doing things normally.
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Viable for production.

That said, TDD (with emphasis on driven) is no silver bullet either, especially when working that way - the tests are equally affected and I've seen enouph code bases where the initial test surface was so off compared to what was needed/sensible that it ended up being solely a hindrance and stifling to actual rework/refactor - with people ending up throwing it away and rewriting the tests from scratch, or worst case, simply setting them to be ignored on build.

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potentially harmful if other people can read it. OP describes it as a personal method and it may work by breaking some psychological issues, like a fear of under-perform or something like. But to do this one need to overcome all fears, to get rid of anxiety, and it needs a safe environment where you can write anything. Literally anything, to try it and to show to your mind that it is harmless thing, nothing bad happens, it is ok to write not good enough, because you can dump it later.
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better than that." I use to have days at work where I didn't accomplish much, and say to myself "I'm a horrible father because I could have spent today with my kids."

It's true that procrastination eats away hours of our lives, but there's no reality where most of us would have been able to say "I know I'll procrastinate the next three days, I'll take a beach vacation with those hours instead, and then do the job promptly the next day."

This kind of (common) thinking is no better than any other kinds of regrets in life, staying awake and thinking "what if I had asked that person out in high school?" etc etc.

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And is basically what you can take out after half a Ph.D. program. In many technical schools in Sweden you are expected to do Lic. on the way to Ph.D. or if you burn out you at least have a Lic.

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but I very clearly also remember just sitting and staring at the task at hand, doing absolutely nothing, because I couldn't stomach how bad everything about the task that needed to be done was - bunches of redundant tables, illogical linking of data, lots of overcomplication, no documentation and no examples of helpful queries whatsoever.

> If you're not just making slow progress but literally unable to make a single bit of progress, my goto strategy is similar to what writers call a vomit draft.

In the end, just forcing myself to get started, writing out the dozen of different things I needed as a part of the query and then working backwards through everything, was what worked. It took hours of uninterrupted work, I felt miserable throughout it, but I got things done in the end, all because of that decision to actually work on it and deal with the pain and suffering, very much how someone would need to make the leap to dive into legacy code, or an issue for a project that doesn't have monitoring or instrumentation, or writing a thesis.

I think that's why techniques like Pomodoro also get recommended, because if you trick yourself into saying that you'll only do a bit of suffering (work on the horrible thing) now and will take a break later, it's more tolerable:

I'm just writing this because to me it feels different from how people commonly view procrastination: just getting distracted and wanting dopamine, as opposed to being able to stare at the computer for an hour without doing anything, just because doing the thing would be horrible. The latter feeling makes you want to quit your academical program (which seems like what the author is dealing with a little bit), or maybe draft your resignation and leave the job market for a bit instead of dealing with the codebase or whatever (which I did, albeit for different and less negative reasons in my case).

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) and in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, with the rhetorics professor facing 'my students are stuck write even the simplest essay' problem.

Yes, write something, anything, then edit. These are two different states of mind, two completely different personality parts, and I wish we taught the first one better (and the second one too...). Shut down the critics part when writing. Should down the ego part when editing.

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you are stuck and describe what would go there if you weren’t stuck. Sometimes this gets you to the solution, but if it doesn’t you still have your thoughts on it for latter.
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Oh, this historical paper is slightly different angle, but also relevant, helped me quite a bit:

Upper, Dennis. "The unsuccessful self-treatment of a case of “writer's block”." Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis 7.3 (1974): 497.

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It deletes all your work if you don't keep typing. Good motivator.

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(albeit poorly), not nothing

2) it can be improved upon.

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of experience (like, decades of it, and being a professor with a stable career so you can take the punch and still stand up). Now that you're back to basics, it'll be easier. Start by making it worth it to you. Work for a few hours a day, like maybe two or three, then go do something you like that. Soon you will realize that doing the stuff you like you work a few hours is MUCH more enjoyable than procrastinating (it really, objectively, is). So you'll train your brain to get the reward from the work: hey, if I work for two hours, I can then do X or Y which will be awesome. (Do not plan to work 8 hours a day. You won't).

Third, remember that you (as in, you, a person, a living being) are more important than all of this. It's just work; it doesn't deserve all the attention it gets. So what if there are a few people disappointed with you here and there? You are also disappointed with some people and that doesn't make them go home and cry in the dark. In all probability, there will always be a few people disappointed with you for the rest of your life. Actually, the list will probably grow. :)

Good luck!

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for failing to meet a deadline, or even failing a class - the rules can be bent quite a lot if they see you're making an effort and to complete your thesis / learn something.

Just as long as you don't hit an blocker, that is. In my case, I never submitted the thesis, because my request to extend the time coincided with the faculty being split in two and completely overhauled - so instead of extension, I was told that, because of "syllabus changes", I would need to repeat the entire MSc level (2 years) to be able to submit the thesis now. I politely declined.

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the alert is not solved then it was a real false positive, right?) and so on. Also based on confidence scores decrease sampling rate for stuff that doesn't tend to break. Oh and also the local agent should pull the some pretrained predictors from the controller so it can locally switch to higher sampling if some patterns occur, this would catch those pesky hard to debug transient bugs/errors.

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truth be told I got lost in chapter 1, because I had no idea what to actually write and implement from all this.

so no thesis, but years later I got a nice part of an ADHD diagnosis out of it!

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to complete everything you start, that wouldn't be fair to you. I know a good few that didn't complete for a myriad of reasons and they're all doing great. I think you should give it a go but the world won't end if you don't.

Best of luck, will be thinking of you today.

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I for one appreciated reading this post and as you can see below there are a lot of well off people who have had similar experiences.

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<3, stranger

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I was going to procrastinate on this project and even that knowledge wasn't enough to stop me. The planning, organization, calendars, todo lists and so on didn't help.

Later in life I was diagnosed with ADHD. With medication and coping techniques things are getting better.

If you struggle with procrastination on a grand scale you have an emotional problem, not an organizational one. No amount of planners, charts, calendars or todo lists will solve it(though they are good to have for other reasons). You need emotional solutions. Therapy, medication, meditation, introspection.

For anyone struggling with procrastination I wish you all the best. It is a lifelong problem. Don't expect to be able to solve it over night, but it can get better.

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To anyone who has felt this way, I am so sorry and you are not alone and there is help. If you're in school, access student health and the graduate programs health resources and leave programs. There still is so much unnecessary stigma and shame around mental health, but if you had similarly severe physical health problem, getting treatment and help would the first step. Not trying to brute force your way through it.

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what ultimately works is asking for help, accepting that yes, it might not be what you want, but it gets you through this hurdle. maybe the next one will be easier. and get up to speed and then work on doing it alone, and then work on doing your best.

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You need to be able to be two personas in one. From a person that only cares about planning and making decisions to someone who only cares about what is in front of his or her until the work is done.

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dread leads to no progress and depression.

I wish I had some magic trick to reset my mind in times like that, but I don't. I wound up dropping out and went to industry instead... and while the failure stung at the time, it was the best decision I ever made. Academia is a job. If your job is making you miserable, it's probably time to move on to another job -- especially if you have marketable skills. For me at least, it was so much easier to reset facing new problems, problems that I didn't go to work dreading.

My big takeaway was that this a failure state for me, and that I need to be aware of myself and head it off before I'm trapped. I need to therapy, coaching, or other help before the death spiral sets in. But breaking of it and making progress on the hell-project? I dunno, sorry.

I'll also say that, if you're like me, you may have struggled with suicidal thoughts. The thought that kept me sane, prior to leaving, was reminding myself that it would be to kill myself over work. Work isn't the purpose of living, being at the top of your field isn't the purpose of living, even being an academic isn't the purpose of living. There's billions of people on earth living fulfilling lives with boring, mundane jobs, finding satisfaction in friends and family and hobbies instead... so I would remind myself that, worst come to worst, I'd go find a boring, mundane job to pay the bills and find my satisfaction elsewhere.

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a choice can be the sort of self-empowering step that leads to very good things in life. So, my advice is to make a choice. It can be time-limited, if that helps, e.g. "I'll give this another month, and if I'm not happy, I'll leave." Please note the word here. That is very important. Life is short. Life also proceeds in a directed fashion -- you can't go back and change something that happened years ago. Make your future be good for you. Hope for -- no, -- that you will be happy, and productive, and that you will use all the experiences of your life to find ways to make others happy, and productive.

This is all very vague, I admit. But I've seen many students get into a rut that is really quite corrosive to the soul. Making a choice, knowing that it's choice, can be quite freeing. There are many paths in life, many ways to contribute to this world. Don't underestimate your ability to find the path that's right for you.

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of work that lead to sub-results that lead to . A Ph.D. thesis is a marathon, not a sprint, and you need to plan accordingly, with milestones every now and then so that the supervisor (and his funders!) can be fed interim results in the form of publications. These milestones also motivate yourself, and they de-risk your project, so that at the end, your thesis can be produced by (slightly simplifying here but only slightly):

Think about what sub-questions your overall research question can be split into? What code do you need to write and what experiments do you need to run to support your "central thesis" (which one poster in the above writing advice rightly recommended should be formulated as a question with sub-questions)? In the papers I read about procastrination, the reason commonly given is being overwhelmed by a huge monolithic problem. The good news, then, is: you as a computer science know "divide and conquer" the technique that is the cure for monolithic disease - create little chunks that you can solve, publish, and use as building blocks. Each of them won't be scary. It follows that a finite sequence of non-scary steps won't be scary.

Ask experienced researchers around you for help in dividing up your research into manageable, implementable, publishable chunks. Remember: A Ph.D. thesis is an argument that your "central thesis" holds, so think hard what you need to show and how you can decompose bigger items into sub-questions. I wish you success, and most of all, stay sane!

I know you can do it, because I read your very well articulated post, and problem analysis is 90% of the solution, you also seem to know how to ask for help when you get stuck.

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you must fight to the death with your own torpor.
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it. (although that's a bad example, because I could learn it one hour per week and finish it in 10 years. I'm not starting it because the process is intimidating in a toil-y way rather than a spark-my-creativity way)

If you could do only one thing with your life, with no problems for money, time, motivation, etc, what would that be? Go do that. Because no matter how hard it is, it's the one thing you want to do with your life. And you only get one life.

Before you leave the PhD, what can you do to take advantage of where you are in life right now? Meet more people around you, attend a lecture series, go dancing with fellow classmates, take an art class, join a theater troupe. You don't know - maybe you'll meet your future wife while you're distracting yourself from your PhD, and later this will be the funny story you tell about how you met. Don't take it so seriously. Just find something that feels valuable about your current situation, enjoy it, and let go of the guilt.

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a thesis. But OP is mostly complaining about not making progress in that will end up in the thesis.

OP mentioned of an elephant in the room: not having any progress for the last X months. But there may be a second elephant that has gone unnoticed: OP may have already done enough to formulate and defend a coherent thesis. Or, the missing part isn't required to be as grand as the OP had imagined for their latest project, when it started.

Many people may have a strong sense of pride and want to finish what they start. But this is really one of the times one needs to push their pride aside and be practical, mostly for the sake of their mental health. I would recommend to anyone in similar position to (a) compare their research output with that of past PhD students in their group, (b) openly discuss with their supervisor the minimum requirements for approving their thesis.

Another practicality to keep in mind is that from a professor's perspective, a PhD graduate with a less than stellar thesis is preferred over a dropout student. Also, for PhD students interested in pursuing academic career, these days postdoc work is probably more important than a stellar PhD thesis.

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Discussing some issues with friends and/or others in your cohort will likely make you feel less alone than browsing other doomposts on r/GradSchool.

With writing in particular, I've recently felt handwriting to be the limit of my writing production, i.e. given a fixed length of time, my output will be independent of whether I wrote or typed it. The affordance of writing slows me down just enough to craft the same text I would've (re)^(n)typed on computer. Writing is also more expressive and makes it easier to forget about my butt in the chair.

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Is Bear the new Xanga or something

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I coauthored a series of papers on a rock mechanics experiment while avoiding working on my PhD (which was in computational social science).

Procrastination seems to have only demonstrated to me in my life that nothing actually matters all that much and you can do whatever you want. And most certainly you will do the things you want to do while you procrastinate assuming you avoid Reddit and video games.

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He's doing everything except actual work. Procrastination is a horrible thing.

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I'm just wondering if anyone else has this or has dealt with it. When I left undergrad (science) I felt like the research field I was entering was going to be super exciting and interesting. Now, two years later, I'm almost done and feel like (not just my topic) but the field in general is rather boring. I almost don't even feel like being a scientist anymore. Some people have told me I should try looking for a job to see if I like it or not and if not maybe go to law school (as was my backup plan) but I'm just not sure. Overall it feels like this experience educated me on a field to the point of knowing I didn't want to take part in that field.

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My PhD thesis has personal information and I don't want this to be public. What can I do?

I just finished my dissertation at a German university that requires that I include personal data (place of birth, date of birth) on the title page of the dissertation. While I have no problem giving this to the University, it has been published on the library webpage and is easily discoverable on Google. I don't want this to be publicly available.

What are my options? Can I withdraw my consent?

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  • This conversation (mostly about whether it's reasonable to care that this information is public) has been moved to chat . user78397: some answerers feel they could better answer if you explained (a) what the nature of your objection to this information being public is, and (b) what sort of consent you gave prior to publication. If you're willing to provide these details, please do so by editing your post. –  cag51 ♦ Commented Aug 19, 2021 at 2:06

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As suggested in the comments by DCTLib, simply ask them to replace it with a version without the personal data (or with the specifics redacted) that you attach to the request. This should be a simple email along the lines of:

Hi, A version of my thesis with some personal data has been uploaded to on the library webpage. Due to personal/privacy concerns, I want to ask you if you can replace that version with the one in the attachment without this personal data? Thank you in advance,

This should be sufficient. If it isn't, you can always mention GDPR reasons, but I can't imagine anybody not cooperating with a request like this.

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  • 10 Especially because this is in Germany, just mentioning "DSGVO" should probably be enough. –  infinitezero Commented Aug 17, 2021 at 3:38
  • 8 This is literally the only possible answer. OP wants to remove the file from the library website, so he has to contact the staff of the library website. If and when they disagree to do it, then he can decide how to proceed. –  AnoE Commented Aug 17, 2021 at 13:07
  • 3 There is likely an aspect of urgency also, to get this done before the version with the personal data ends up in ProQuest's online database of dissertations. –  shoover Commented Aug 17, 2021 at 15:47
  • 2 @JFabianMeier It is explicit in the GDPR that consent must be revocable. So even if you have previously given consent you have the legal right to withdraw such consent. –  Dave Commented Aug 18, 2021 at 15:31
  • 2 @Dave I just said that it might be difficult and require decisions of committees and/or paperwork. Depending on the university, you might need to submit the changed version, get approval from the dissertation committee that it still fulfils the publication requirements and then go to the library and asked them to replace the published version. –  J Fabian Meier Commented Aug 18, 2021 at 15:46

This is not actually a personal problem of yours, but a collective one for Ph.D. candidates in your university.

You should consult your university's academic staff union, or if graduate student researchers are represented separately, the junior staff / junior researchers / etc union. You should collectively make the demand that this requirement be dropped, for all Ph.D. candidates. It does not make sense for universities to publish this information along with theses - nor, in fact, to have this in the thesis as it is evaluated by academics for its content.

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  • 1 I disagree that it makes no sense. It serves to identify the author, beyond their name (which is relevant in the case of a common name). That a PhD thesis is a publication is, at least in Germany, inherent to a PhD thesis. –  user151413 Commented Aug 22, 2021 at 15:39
  • @user151413: The author is the single person with that name to earn a Ph.D. that year. So, s/he is well-identified and that is a non-problem. Which is part of why this custom does not exist anywhere else (that I know of). –  einpoklum Commented Aug 22, 2021 at 16:29
  • 4 "So, s/he is well-identified and that is a non-problem." I would not be surprised if several persons with the same name received a PhD in the same year. E.g., Christian Schmidt is a very common name and there appear to be several persons with that name that currently are PhD students in Germany. –  user9482 Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 10:20
  • @Roland: Show me a concrete example of this happening at the same department, at the same university, in the same year. I believe you're just speculating for some sort of aposteriori justification. –  einpoklum Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 11:00
  • @einpoklum At least putting the place of birth is standard for any german phd thesis I've seen. Note that there are typically also formal requirements for the cover page of the published version, changing which requires explicit permission by the university. –  user151413 Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 12:51

Just to update in case someone runs into a similar problem. They said that the requirements of the University meant that I had to give this information on the title page and they could not remove it or allow me to submit the thesis with a modified title page. However, they said that if I gave in four copies of the dissertation at the library then the online version could be blocked for legal reasons. That is what was eventually done.

As a second step, I wrote to Google to remove the cached data. Even after the library blocked the thesis Google was showing personal data. They removed it in a couple of days.

I agree with the others that such a requirement is downright dangerous in these days of identity theft especially as in Germany banks and many others accept your DOB and place of stay as alternative ID if you have forgotten your pin for online banking etc.

My advice, if your university requires such personal data on the title page, is to hand in only paper copies.

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  • 2 Thanks for coming back with an answer! (You should also be able to click "accept" to highlight that this is the solution that has worked in practice.) –  henning no longer feeds AI Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 10:15
  • 'Even after the library blocked the thesis Google was showing personal data' Have you checked the Wayback Machine ? –  Daniel Hatton Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 11:44
  • 3 If your bank allows account access having only your date of birth, I'd change the bank. BTW, 4 copies sounds surprisingly few - usually ~20 copies or so must be handed in for it to count as a publication (which are then distributed to various libraries). It could be, of course, that those libraries still have access to your online copies. –  user151413 Commented Aug 23, 2021 at 12:53

This is more of a comment: For many German universities, the "publication" requirement for a thesis can be satisfied by an actual publictaion, e.g. in a book or a departmental series of publications/notes. If that is an option, the library may accept to take down your thesis (or it may not, you'll have to check), and the published version can be a slightly cleaned-up version without the mandatory title page, the "eidesstattliche Versicherung" etc.

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